So BMW released updated specs for the Z4 m40i. It's faster than the equivalent 3.0 Supra at 3.9s 0 to 60 vs 4.1s

"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt) 01/15/2019 at 09:55 • Filed to: bmw z4, z4, z4 m40i, supra, toyota supra, a90 supra, 2020 supra

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The 3 82 HP vs 335HP and different tuning has to count for something right?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/15/2019 at 10:00

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Wait, there’s a new Supra? This is the first I’ve heard about it since about two minutes ago — every two minutes for the last week or so.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/15/2019 at 10:01

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Yeah it comes exclusively in convertible form!

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/15/2019 at 10:07

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7 hp... i doubt that made alot of difference

bet you the difference is mostly from the weight saved by not having indicators

Driver_41 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/15/2019 at 10:08

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Hot take: 0-60 is crappy metric for comparing cars, especially when you’re already under 5s.

Chuckles > Driver_41 01/15/2019 at 10:18

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At least it's slightly more practical than comparing top speed, which is a very meaningless statistic for cars that get driven on roads with speed limits. If the top speed is anything over 85 MPH or so, that's good enough.

ihm96 > Driver_41 01/15/2019 at 10:19

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Having driven a lot of the newer offerings from both companys, I’m guessing the BMW will be better in the other handling aspects as well

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/15/2019 at 10:20

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Whoops! That should be 382  HP in Z4 , Torque is 7 more in Supra.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Driver_41 01/15/2019 at 10:23

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I look at Car& Driver’s these numbers more closely than 0-60 because it closely applies to real word situations

CobraJoe > Driver_41 01/15/2019 at 10:26

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Counterpoint: Out of all the standardized performance tests, it’s the one that’s the most relevant to a normal driver.  

Only a small minority of drivers will attempt to corner at high speed, or go through a slalom, or try to reach top speed, but most of them will hit the gas when the light goes green.

Ok, maybe braking distance would be applicable too, but I get the feeling that’s more of a panic situation, not an “enjoying the drive” situation.  

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/15/2019 at 10:28

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50-70 I think is the most important. Passing power is fun. 

punkgoose17 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/15/2019 at 10:28

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I think the nose of the Supra is ugly, but I think the nose of the BMW is even worse.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > punkgoose17 01/15/2019 at 10:30

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Would you like it better if it were a Kia?

punkgoose17 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/15/2019 at 10:38

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Yes this looks better than the BMW. I don’t like the hood bulges shaped like leaves either. Maybe they look better in real life.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > punkgoose17 01/15/2019 at 10:40

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Time for Kia to make a Supra/Z4 competitor with the Stinger’s 3.3T V6 then.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/15/2019 at 11:58

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I wonder if part of the agreement was that the BMW would be faster out of the box. I read that even the suspension tuning for both cars was handled by BMW (but to Toyota’s specs for the Supra). Honestly, it’s a Toyota in name only...

His Stigness > Chuckles 01/15/2019 at 12:07

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But a full launch in anything quicker than 7ish seconds will draw the same attention from the PoPo as a top speed run will.

His Stigness > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/15/2019 at 12:09

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Which is good for both brands bottom line.

The Supra isn’t going to sell very well at all, but at least Toyota does not have to foot the entire bill for R&D and tooling. But BMW will come out smelling like a rose since they would have made a new Z4 regardless.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > His Stigness 01/15/2019 at 12:19

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I hope you’re wrong, but you’re probably right, unfortunately.

I’d love to see these siblings both sell very well.

Definitely smart for Toyota to use Subaru and now BMW for projects like these (they also have a joint venture with Mazda, and another deal with Suzuki ).

Not sure if the Z4 was a sure thing (and the next generation is definitely in question).

His Stigness > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/15/2019 at 12:31

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They sold FOUR in 2018?

They were probably BMW NA employee cars too.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > His Stigness 01/15/2019 at 14:14

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They clearly stopped production in 2017 (or late 2016), but they were still clearing out inventory last year.